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2012/08/03

Climate Audit at Last Back On track

After wasting his time on an ignominious essay from Tony McIntyre gets back on track doing what he does so well.
Not science.
Nothing to do with climate.
Nothing to do with auditing.
Nothing to do with statistics.

He's frothing at the mouth on his quest to embarrass scientists who wrote emails where they robustly discussed science.

A brilliant invention - emails - as quick as voice, you have a copy of what was discussed, you can send data and plots. It is not as formal as a letter and you feel you can tell someone their ideas are wrong without causing real hurt.

Then along comes a slavering pack of underworld denizens who cannot kill climate science with their own research - they do ABSOLUTELY NONE - but they can stop  real scientists working using FOI attacks. They then attempt to destroy their science (in the minds of the public) by quoting from stolen Emails that the authors thought were private robust discussions.

It must be difficult finding a private channel where these discussions can now be made!

It is also interesting that Tallbloke has been away from blogging for weeks:

Roger Andrews says:
TB
Welcome back. I guess the Norfolk fuzz released you when they wrapped up their enquiry, right? ;-)

Or is it he has been going over the next batch of emails with FOI looking for the good bits!!



From Tony a call to Arms:

The secret letter UEA and CRU doesn’t want us (or anybody else) to read


Uh oh.
Steve McIntyre has written an eviscerating essay about a secret letter circulated by the IPCC to UEA/CRU, which they are refusing to divulge, because it will:
...
I suggest that all hands immediately work on FOI requests to UEA requesting this letter. We might also want to start a betting pool on how long they’ll be able to hold out.
Somewhere, we have the procedure for FOI requests in the UK, but I’ve misplaced it. Sharp readers will likely find it and post in comments, so I can update this post.
========================
Oh dear the man seems out of control:

  1. Please don’t file FOI requests on this matter to UEA. That’s already been done and is under appeal. Further efforts doing the same thing will make it more difficult in the future. Please don’t do this.
    On the other hand, you may wish to consider steps in your own jurisdiction.
    REPLY: I’ve made some changes to the text which will likely yield better results – Anthony
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Is this a way of hiding the failure of Tony's paper?




2012/07/20

Norfolk Police Q & A on the CRU Email Theft

The official Q and A from the Norfolk Police

http://www.norfolk.police.uk/newsevents/newsstories/2012/july/ueadatabreachinvestigation/idoc.ashx?docid=4af74555-e4c6-4984-a351-ff7cd546e366&version=-1


Operation Cabin Q&As The following questions and answers are an abridged version of Norfolk Constabulary’s Operation Cabin media briefing held on Thursday 19 July 2012.

How do you know it was an external hack?
In outline terms, we know it came via the internet from a number of different IP addresses, in various countries, which may have been proxy servers. The attack was, first of all, into the web server (CRUweb8) in the Climate Research Unit (CRU) at the UEA. From there, a link was established to a CRU back-up server (CRUback3). It’s fair to say, the university has to draw the right balance between giving access to information – it’s an academic establishment and, as such, has a proportionate level of security which enables people to work remotely and access information to operate in that academic environment. As a consequence of the attack, the UEA has taken a number of measures and its ICT infrastructure now looks very different. We identified that the attackers breached several password layers to get through and they got to a position where they employed different methodologies to return the data. We identified a significant quantity of data that was taken in this way, certainly in excess of that which was subsequently published in the two files in 2009 and 2011. We’ve used the expression ‘sophisticated’ and that’s because that’s the view of our experts who conducted that side of the investigation for us. They identified that, as well as achieving the breach, they also took significant steps to conceal their tracks and lay false trails and change information available to us in order to frustrate the investigation. The conclusion was the person /s were highly competent in what they were doing. That technical investigation was the primary line of investigation although we did cater for other possibilities, these were later ruled out.

Which specific countries were involved in the trail of proxy servers and which countries were either helpful or uncooperative in your investigations?
While we will not be confirming the names of the countries specifically, we can confirm there were a number across the majority of the continents. We would underline that the use of a proxy server in any country is not necessarily evidence that the hack originated in that domain. We worked with partners in these countries and the level of response and support we got varied from being excellent to being quite time consuming. The logistics involved meant it was a complex picture with different legal jurisdictions and sovereignties. Sometimes it’s a procedural issue and sometimes it’s a political issue with a small or a big P.

Can you confirm that the US was helpful?
We will not confirm the identity of individual countries but we can say, in general terms, there is a healthy and productive relationship between law enforcement in the US and the UK.

Did you detect that any national government could be behind this?
No. The hypothesis was, and remains, that the person or persons responsible for this could be anyone on a spectrum from an individual right through to the other end of the spectrum, including commercial organisations and governments. It is obvious that some commercial organisations would have an interest in maintaining their commercial position; similarly there will be economies and governments which have an interest in protecting their position. To be clear, we did not get any indication as to who was responsible.

It is clear the person responsible has knowledge of this subject; did you interview all the bloggers that showed an interest?
We interviewed a number of people and the logistical issues involved meant that much of this work was carried out remotely because, physically travelling to countries, and the logistics involved in achieving that – for the anticipated outcome – would have not be proportionate. Of course, the climate sceptic community would, in the main, give the appearance of welcoming the published data because it supports their view. Therefore, we were realistic about the prospect of them being helpful to our investigation.

Can you describe what investigations you undertook at the UEA and who you interviewed there?
The focus internally was on the IT infrastructure and working out from there. We also looked at people working at or with connections to the Climate Research Unit and, in simple terms, we were looking for anything obvious. All members of staff were interviewed. If someone had some obvious links or had an axe to grind, then that might have been a line of enquiry. Generally speaking, it was a screening exercise which did not provide any positive lines of enquiry. Whilst - because we have not found the perpetrators - we cannot say categorically that no-one at the UEA is involved, there is no evidence to suggest that there was. The nature and sophistication of the attack does not suggest that it was anyone at the UEA.

You say that the hacker had to go through a series of passwords; do you know that someone at the UEA would not have had access to these passwords?
Anyone with access to these passwords has been excluded as a suspect. Additionally, there was some evidence of work undertaken to break passwords.

It has been reported that the hacker accessed the server on three separate occasions, can you confirm if that’s true and if there were any further attempts to access the server after ‘climategate’ broke and have there been any recently?
The report is inaccurate. The attack was conducted over a period of time and access would have occurred on a number of occasions and certainly more than three. Of course, we only know what we know. I have already described it was a sophisticated attack; we have established a substantial amount of what happened. What I can’t say is whether we have established everything that happened. There were no further data breaches once the story had broken in November 2009, not least because we had taken possession of Cruback3 and it wasn’t available to be accessed.

Do you know when the attacks began?
There’s a timeline of events and there has been speculation, in the media and the blogs, that there may have been an orchestrated campaign of Freedom of Information requests to the University in the summer of 2009. It appears the attacks were undertaken late in that summer, early autumn, through to November. The first tactic that we were aware of was in September 2009. There was news that some other institutions, including in Canada, that may have come under a similar attack at that time.

 Are there any other institutions that you have found that were attacked at this time?
We did have some dialogue and there were one or two that had been attacked and we did have a preliminary examination but they did not give us any indication or cause to suspect that it was in any way linked to the UEA.

What happens to Cruback3 now?
It has been returned to the University of East Anglia, having been retained as an exhibit through the course of the investigation. It was necessary to retain the actual server for this time. It contained a massive amount of data, something in the region of five terabytes.

When the second batch of e-mails was released, there was the note that came with them. Did you or your colleagues contemplate doing structural linguistics or analysis to try and trace it to a particular location in the world?
It was speculated on and it was something we did consider. Our conclusion was that it would be unlikely to take the investigation anywhere and, in fact, if you are trying to conceal your tracks it could have been constructed to mislead.

You have been restricted by the statute of limitations, would you have continued with this investigation otherwise?
The decision to close the case was a combination of the time limit and an acknowledgement that we had pursued this as far as we reasonably can.

Did you consider prosecuting people dealing in the information that was clearly stolen?
In terms of offences committed, it becomes a much greyer area. The same challenges exist in terms of identifying those individuals. An operational decision was made not to pursue this.

Beware the Computer Misuse Act
Unauthorised access to computer material.
(1) A person is guilty of an offence if—
(a) he causes a computer to perform any function with intent to secure access toany program or data held in any computer [F1, or to enable any such accessto be secured] ;
(b) the access he intends to secure [F2, or to enable to be secured,] is unauthorised;and
(c) he knows at the time when he causes the computer to perform the functionthat that is the case.
(2) The intent a person has to have to commit an offence under this section need not bedirected at—
(a) any particular program or data;
(b) a program or data of any particular kind; or
(c) a program or data held in any particular computer. [F3
(3) A person guilty of an offence under this section shall be liable—
(a) on summary conviction in England and Wales, to imprisonment for a termnot exceeding 12 months or to a fine not exceeding the statutory maximumor to both;
(b) on summary conviction in Scotland, to imprisonment for a term not exceedingsix months or to a fine not exceeding the statutory maximum or to both;
(c) on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding twoyears or to a fine or to both.]

2 Unauthorised access with intent to commit or facilitate commission of furtheroffences.
(1) A person is guilty of an offence under this section if he commits an offence undersection 1 above (“the unauthorised access offence”) with intent—
(a)to commit an offence to which this section applies; or
(b)to facilitate the commission of such an offence (whether by himself or by anyother person); and the offence he intends to commit or facilitate is referred to below in this section as the further offence.
(2) This section applies to offences—
(a)for which the sentence is fixed by law; or
(b)for which a personwho has attained the age of twenty-one years (eighteenin relation to England and Wales) and has no previous convictions may besentenced to imprisonment for a term of five years (or, in England and Wales,might be so sentenced but for the restrictions imposed by section 33 of theM1Magistrates’ Courts Act 1980).
(3)It is immaterial for the purposes of this section whether the further offence is to becommitted on the same occasion as the unauthorised access offence or on any futureoccasion.
(4)A person may be guilty of an offence under this section even though the facts are suchthat the commission of the further offence is impossible.
[F4(5)A person guilty of an offence under this section shall be liable—
(a)on summary conviction in England and Wales, to imprisonment for a termnot exceeding 12 months or to a fine not exceeding the statutory maximumor to both;
(b)on summary conviction in Scotland, to imprisonment for a term not exceedingsix months or to a fine not exceeding the statutory maximum or to both;
(c)on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding fiveyears or to a fine or to both.]

2012/06/13

WUWT accolytes descend below the gutter.

The thread that should not exist - as it stands at 2012-06-13 22:55
Is there anything more despicable?


http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/06/13/foi-reveals-nasty-hateful-emails-sent-to-phil-jones-right-after-climategate/

The accolytes state that these emails are written by the "Team".
However it is a bit of a fail not to have published them 2 years ago!
Why wait for a FOI request??


edited for the best (worst?) ones and defamatory comments

75 Responses to FOI reveals nasty hateful emails sent to Phil Jones right after Climategate


  1. Steve T. says:
    I find these emails very, very suspicious. Terrible spellings and punctuation coupled with correct spelling of a more difficult word. Lack of capitalisation coupled with unusually broad vocabulary. Similar typing conventions on multiple emails (double space after a full stop). A lack of variation in the style of the abuse.
    I’d have an expert look at them…
  2. Bob Tisdale says:
    Oddly, UEA produced documents as a result of this FOI request.
  3. D.R. Williams says:
    Seeing the pattern of Phil Jones behavior and that of the Team in general as exemplified in the Climategate emails, cowards attracting email from cowards is not surprising. It’s clearly a case of “vile and disgusting” begetting the same.
  4. Connifer says:
    I don’t have any sympathy for Phil Jones. You make your own bed of nails, you lie in it. Some of you think the emails he received are disgusting. To me, what is really disgusting is that global warming alarmists continue to label AGW skeptics as “deniers” and the mainstream media continues to accept and promote this–this is hate speech, plain and simple.
    Just because my opinion of AGW doesn’t conform to the views of our political masters, it doesn’t mean I am a holocaust denier. As a Jew whose father fought in WWII, I find this continued use of the term to label AGW skeptics doubly offensive.
    I was especially offended when Barack Obama used this “denier” term to label AGW skeptics in one of his speeches–isn’t it ironic that it’s ok for the first black POTUS to promote hate speech, but a few angry e-mails to scientists falsifying their research gets blown out of proportion. Even the Australian prime minister Ju-liar Gillard used this “denier” term to slander AGW skeptics in Australia.
    This is the true meaning of post-normal science: it’s ok to lie, cheat, and commit fraud because those in power says it’s ok to do so. Just like it’s ok for Peter Gleick to commit wire fraud and not get punished. Just like it’s ok for Phil Jones and Michael Mann to “hide the decline” and not get punished. Just like it’s ok for Al Gore and the IPCC to demonize C02, a harmless gas plants need to make food, and not get punished. But if your views go against the political orthodoxy, you will lose your job in a heartbeat. This is the new post-normal science world we live in now.
    However, history is on the side of truth. Nazi’s came and Nazi’s lost. Dictators all eventually fall. Eventually, all these AGW scammers are going to get caught in their own web of lies and charged for serious crimes against humanity. It will be a long struggle but make no mistake, once the global public awaken to the massive lies and fraud going on in the name of AGW alarmism and carbon taxes, a few angry emails will pale in comparison to what these AGW charlatans are going to receive.
  5. .
  6. AB says:
    Came across this sort of script from time to time in the low socio economic school where I taught for many years. It’s inexcusable behaviour but teachers copped it regularly in it’s verbal form. A scientist leading a sheltered academic life would find it harder to deal with, but as teachers we just had to laugh it off. Considering the importance of climategate to the world the number of abusive emails is in actual fact very very low, in my opinion.
  7. Ric Werme says:
    Well, there’s not as many as I expected, and some writers almost have cogent thoughts. One even alluded to Jones’ Climategate message about John Daly’s premature death, but spoiled the moment with the death threat. Some aren’t even death threats, e.g. “May God punish you severely for your untruthful actions.”
    On the other hand, I have little use for people who think they’re communicating when every phrase has a vulgar word. Give ‘em a copy of Strunk & White! Heck, start a genre of hate limericks to get a little humor to the threats!
    I can almost feel sorry for Phil and his team. It must have been nice back when they had a nice, quiet academic environment where they wrote papers, get them published after pal review, and not bother to file the data someplace because no one bothered to reproduce the work. Then Daly, then M&M, then a flood of interested amateurs, then people screaming that CO2 is a trace gas and therefore can’t have an effect, then Climategate, and then these.
    On the other hand, they managed to set themselves up for the fall, so forgive me if I can’t feel too sorry for them. Who knows, maybe God is punishing Jones for what he said about Daly. Well, probably not, your faith may vary.
  8. johanna says:
    As I said at the Bishop’s place:
    Of course they are vile, but once again I am amazed at the preciousness of people who want to drive major changes in the way we live without any consequences. I have said before, and will keep saying, that Ministers get this stuff all the time, precisely because people think that they have the power to affect the way we live.
    The quoted examples are typical of what a powerful politician gets all the time. No, they are not ‘death threats’, and yes, there are some angry and disturbed people out there.
    It should be noted that these sorts of unpleasant communications are not limited to any particular kind of scientist, professional or politician. It is the perception that these people have the power to influence events that generates the hate mail. Judges get this stuff as well, as do doctors and lawyers, and public servants.
    Judges, lawyers, public servants, doctors and politicians all manage to keep doing their jobs despite the rantings of temporarily or permanently deranged members of the public. What is so special about snowflake climate scientists, whose only crime is to promote policies that make people poorer (at best) based on questionable premises, data, and conclusions?
    They, and their defenders, need to get out more. I’m afraid I don’t share the revulsion of previous commenters, having read this sort of garbage very day addressed to Ministers. Boo-bloody-hoo. An old saying about heat and kitchens comes to mind.
    ——————————————–
    I suspect that Anthony has been very low-key in his description of the stuff that he gets all the time, especially since the lowlife Appell released Anthony’s personal email details to the blogosphere.
    I deplore abusive or threatening communications from whoever to whoever. But, it is unrealistic to be an advocate of major political and economic change and expect that no-one will notice your name on the justification document. And, no, they weren’t just scientists doing their job, as the Climategate emails demonstrated.
  9. michael hart says:
    Anthony, how do you feel about this comment, posted at the BBC yesterday on Richard Black’s article [comment 68]? I won’t reproduce it here.
    REPLY: Well other than the commenter is too stupid to spell my name correctly, the correct response is to report the comment and see if BBC deletes it. – Anthony
  10. beng says:
    ****
    From my perspective, having been in television and radio newsrooms for 25 years, this is pretty run of the mill stuff.
    ****
    Anthony, you’re a hardened warrior from the front-lines, yet sympathetic to the sheltered academics. Not sure I’m that magnanimous.
  11. theduke says:
    Vile, of course. But I wonder how many of these type of emails Phil Jones and the others received before Climategate. In other words, I’m suspicious that his depression and thoughts of suicide had more to do with the damning and potentially incriminating content of the emails than the hatemail trash sent by these morons.
    Color me cynical. He’d been in the limelight a long time. Remember his comment to the effect that he’d spent his career collecting the data and why should he release it when all his correspondent wanted to do was find something wrong with it? I’m sure he’s gotten some nasty flak for that over the years.
  12. Max Hugoson says:
    This is SO obvious. These Emails were created by “the team”. This is STRAIGHT out of the “left’s” playbook. Have someone create VILE, disgusting attacks in a public venue. Attribute them to your opponents. Beatify yourself…you are a saint. Your opponents (correctly) deny any connection. BINGO, you’ve won! It is an ADVANTAGE which completely corrupt people have over honest ones, who think that “proper” behavior always wins.
    I have no solution, only an insight.
    PS: The “catch” that they are written in a pseudo neanderthal style but the creators “slipped” and used vocabulary that is not typical of “neanderthal conservative/skeptics” is marvelous.
    The one thing we can count on is that EVIL ALWAYS OVERPLAYS ITS HAND in the poker game of life.
  13. Bill Tuttle says:
    As I’ve always said about the Internet and electronic communications in general, anonymity breeds contempt.
    Anonymity eliminates the necessity for someone to take responsibility — or consequences — for his words. I’ve never said anything in print that I wouldn’t say to someone’s face.
    That said, I agree with Steve T’s assessment. The e-mails are suspiciously akin.
  14. David Ball says:
    How many “victim” cards are in that deck?
  15. jayhd says:
    Given the contents of the Climategate emails, I’m surprised there weren’t more nasty emails. Phil Jones and his CAGW co-conspirators have caused immeasurable economic damage and untold human suffering.
    Jay Davis
  16. mrmethane says:
    I’m sorry, but I’d put most of them, based on their similarity to each others, and the odd style, intio the category of “self-generated” sympathy magnets. In other words, I doubt they came from anyone but Phil or a supporter. Glieckenspool, anyone?
  17. more soylent green! says:
    Max Hugoson says:
    June 13, 2012 at 7:24 am
    This is SO obvious. These Emails were created by “the team”. This is STRAIGHT out of the “left’s” playbook. Have someone create VILE, disgusting attacks in a public venue. Attribute them to your opponents. Beatify yourself…you are a saint. Your opponents (correctly) deny any connection. BINGO, you’ve won! It is an ADVANTAGE which completely corrupt people have over honest ones, who think that “proper” behavior always wins.
    I have no solution, only an insight.
    PS: The “catch” that they are written in a pseudo neanderthal style but the creators “slipped” and used vocabulary that is not typical of “neanderthal conservative/skeptics” is marvelous.
    The one thing we can count on is that EVIL ALWAYS OVERPLAYS ITS HAND in the poker game of life.
    If created by “the team” means written by useful idiot lackeys who decided to help out the cause by creating fake threatening emails, then you’re spot on.
  18. Jim Clarke says:
    The emails are vile and ignorant. As a climate change crisis skeptic I completely renounce the views expressed in these emails. There is no place for these ad-homs-on-steriods, or any ad hominems at all, in the debate.
    (sarc) Almost all climate change crisis skeptics agree with the above statement, creating an overwhelming consensus. Therefore, the issue is settled and should not be brought up by David Appell, or any other warmist, ever again! (sarc off)
    Seriously…I do have one question about this that I believe would be of interest. How long did it take for the UEA to comply with this FIO, compared to requests for climate related data and emails?
  19. Aidan Donnelly says:
  20. Cannot read them as it wont DL at the moment.
    But already some are taking them as genuine, others are (with good reason given the Climategate etc), taking the position tha these are ‘false-flag’ attacks by ‘The team’
    So around and around we go, still trying to get the truth to the public in a believable way – truly it was said that the first casualty of war is Truth .. and this is quite definitely a war
  21. gnomish says:
    not nearly as gripping as the videos of blowing up schoolchildren and soccer players, the suicidal animals or little girls clinging the the last tree on earth.
    much less credible than agenda 21
    however, they indicate that at least a few people got mad about being screwed.
    apart from those few, the perpetrators of the fraud and the robbers of your rights have no resistance that matters.
    but talk is just talk.
    40% of american income down the tubes in the last 3 years isnt’ enough to get a true believer to doubt the system he supports. doesn’t even get him mad. that indicates that he agrees that he’s suitable as fodder and has no claim to rights.
    I watched a tsunami vid yesterday. there were some who could not be so undignified as to run like hell. they walked as if they were balancing books on their heads – gracefully. they died.
    i’d hate to have to depend on anybody like that in the trenches, but that’s all there is.
    that’s why a ussr is all but assured.
    the meek shall inherit the grave.
    that’s justice. darwin says so.
  22. John Whitman says:
    Because just the pdf of these allegedly real emails has been disclosed at BH’s blog and nothing else related to the FOI request, then I am skeptical of the pdf file containing the emails. I will remain skeptical until I see:
    1) the original FOI request made to UEA/CRU by the person who made the FOI request
    2) the original UEA/CRU acknowledgement of receiving the FOI request that they are required to send to the FOI requester.
    3) any response by the requestor to UEA/CRU receipt acknowledgement notice
    4) the actual UEA/CRU transmittal letter/email sent to the requestor which contained the release of the requested emails/info.
    Also, I would like to see the Information Commissioner in the UK (I sorry if I got the title wrong) review the credibility that these are real emails.
    John
  23. Markon says:
    “From the perspective of these mild mannered scientists, I know these sorts of things come as a complete shock to them. I can see how Dr. Jones would have been driven to depression right after Climategate broke.”
    Really? You suggesting his actions [redacted!] had nothing to do with driving him to depression? Are you saying that those who defraud the public should not have to endure any pushback by those about to lose their money and liberty?
     [redacted!] .
  24. Tom Moriarty says:
    The emails are vile. But I had to laugh at the illogic of the one that said…
    “I hope you f****rs die slowly and painfully. You are the scum of the earth and should be put in front of a firing squad.”
    So which is it, “slowly” or “firing squad?”
    Holy Cow!
  25. Titan 28 says:
    These emails just don’t ring true to me. Two, three groupings that have similarities, as well as really stupid inexplicable misspellings, the deliberate kind of misspellings you see in letters designed to make the sender appear to be an idiot. I think the Team is perfectably capable of generating this sort of stuff to make themselves appear rightfully aggrieved. I could be wrong. Best thing would be for someone with access and the requisite tools to follow these emails down the rabbit hole, see where they lead.
  26. meemoe_uk says:
    A lot of the emails will be from teenagers. This the norm in many modern sub cultures.
    e.g. Anyone who does online gaming will be exposed to similar constant abuse.
    Personally I can’t take it seriously, and so can find it somewhat funny. Although I wouldn’t post anything like that myself for fear of job security. Kids don’t have that worry, I kinda envy them for their freedom in this respect.
  27. EEB says:
    Hell, I’ve heard worst from my mother-in-law.
    And all I did was take the last chicken leg.
  28. Dave says:
    I think the emails can be broadly divided into three categories.
    There’s one set which is clearly the work of a loon, or several similar loons. Crack-head, meth-head, or merely unfortunately mentally ill, but, whilst distasteful, not subject to rational analysis beyond saying that if you’re in the public eye, you’re likely to attract rants from the odd nutter. Essentially, they have nothing whatsoever to do with the debate. Of course they’re deplorable, and possibly even the highest risk as far as someone actually putting them into action, but they’re not politically motivated in any way that makes sense to sane people. Some of the long rambling rants contain actual threats, but they’re buried in lunatic babble.
    There’s another set which expresses the wish that the recipient would die, or kill themself, but which aren’t actually threatening. There’s one which ends by wishing Phil would crawl away and rot in a ditch, and then adds ‘(Please don’t take the black humour to heart.)’, which whilst not a threat as such is a bit like saying ‘no offence’ instead of avoiding giving offence…
    The third set is the one consisting of the emails which are relatively short, relatively coherent, and have a clear, unambiguous threat. It’s a small minority, but they’re certainly there. As Anthony Watts points out, such things are almost always merely venting, but that doesn’t mean a recipient of them isn’t entitled to call them death threats. Personally, I don’t find receiving death threats to be particularly serious when they’re of this unspecific nature and in this quantity, but there are some there.
  29. cui bono says:
    Where’s Sherlock Mosher?
    Seriously, whoever these people are, they need help beyond anger management courses.
    And why is it assumed they are right-wingers? Several of the mails refer (vaguely, in between the expletives and the spleen) to the economic damage done by the AGW crowd, including “dead children”. This is a common complaint by both right- and left-wing critics of The Cause.
    Ironically, none of this would have happened if the CRU crew had paid attention to FOI requests in the first place.
    Still, utterly sick.
  30. James Ard says:
    I call bs on this. Your typical person who is interested in climate issues generally knows how to spell. These are false flag attacks. This is exactly the kind of thing I’ve come to expect from the team. Like has been said upthread, I’d look for Glieks fingerprints on this.
  31. eyesonu says:
    Max Hugoson says:
    June 13, 2012 at 7:24 am
    David Ball says:
    June 13, 2012 at 7:37 am
    How many “victim” cards are in that deck?
    Kaboom says:
    June 13, 2012 at 7:47 am
    One can only hope for Gleick’s sake that he isn’t getting fingered for writing these, too.
    mrmethane says:
    June 13, 2012 at 7:52 am
    John Whitman says:
    June 13, 2012 at 9:23 am
    =========================
    As to the comments noted above, count me in this camp. What I would say has been said.
    I agree that this type garbage is out of order. I would also say that if these emails are in fact real and were fabricated for political purpose by someone for the purpose of garnering sympathy for Jones, then heads should roll (this is a figure of speech and not a threat).
  32. John Greenfraud says:
    Death threats are over the line, however, calling for these people [redacted!]  is not. People will be held accountable, regardless of some unverifiable ‘hate’ mail from dubious sources. I have no sympathy  [redacted!] . The cost of this scam to the people of this country is incalculable. We won’t forget or forgive, and they won’t be let off the hook so easily.
  33. BradProp1 says:
    After resorting to cussing and threats; the debate is lost. Either some really stupid people sent the emails, or they are scam emails designed to gain sympathy for Mr. Jones.
  34. I think the well-known pro-AGW troll Vendicar Decarian posts similar messages in tone and quantity every day.
  35. Disko Troop says:
    I have had a Chief Petty Officer stand one inch from my face and hurl expletives and abuse at me for 5 solid minutes and then make me lie face down in the mud while he stood on me and hurled abuse at the rest of the squad. That’s abusive. Three large Gentlemen carrying an axe amongst other things pursued me for about ten minutes in West Wego before I lost them. That is a death threat. A Captain friend of mine was a protestant living in a particular area of Belfast in 1973. Two well dressed men came to his door one night and told him to leave. He moved to Scotland the following day and left everything except his personal effects behind. That was a death threat.
    If a few abusive e-mails from loonies is the worst that these wussy “scientists” have ever had to worry about then pardon me for not feeling at all sympathetic.
  36. hunter says:
    Are there any death threats in this stuff?
  37. James Sexton says:
    Put me in the “false flag” camp as well. As stated earlier, I also see 3 different writing styles, There is a definite American feel for the emails.
    But, these are definitely not the work of the typical skeptic. Recall, that after Climategate emails, skeptics weren’t angry, heck many were darn near euphoric!
    In spite of the content of some of those emails, I had to “LOL” at some of them….. one signed “Chaos Deathwalker”. Aparently, that’s a reference to a Babylon 5 episode?
    But, here’s what really jumped out at me….. bottom of page 7, “dodgy emails that were hacked…“. Uhmm….. oops! That’s not how us skeptics term the “release” of the emails.
    BTW, Anthony et al, the comment referenced earlier at the BBC has been removed.
  38. Yep, the left would never stoop to such levels. http://scoamf.us/Hass
  39. alan says:
    The AGW people are in the business of faking data! Probably an inside job.
  40. Philip Peake says:
    As presented, there is no way of telling anything about these emails.
    If anyone EVER submits an FOI request for emails, you really need ensure that you request emails with all headers intact.
    That’s not just the From, Subject, Date headers, but all the rest not normally displayed in most email clients, which give routing information etc. These are somewhat harder to forge, and are very useful in determining if multiple emails originate from the same individual(s).
    The emails listed here are useless. Just a bunch of nasty words and phrases which have some indications of coming from a very restricted set of originators.
  41. Chuck says:
    My first impression is that there’s something off about them. Reminds me of forum trolls, just trying to get a reaction. They seem to be too contrived to be taken seriously. And I agree that they sound like they came from just a few people.
  42. Jenn Oates says:
    A couple of months ago a FB “friend” erupted into a vile, profane, obscene rant about something that I had posted. She sad many hateful things to various posters on that thread, things that were over the top, out of bounds, and beyond the pale. A relative of mine posted that while she normally would be inclined to support the harridan’s position, she felt that when a person resorts to such angry vituperation to someone else’s opinion, one’s argument is automatically disregarded by rational folk. Debate need not be rude, nor disrespectful to those who disagree.
    I could not agree more.
    Well do we need to remember that.
  43. Neo says:
    Perhaps, we should a FOI to the University of Virginia asking for death threat emails to Michael Mann. If they send any, ask for the other emails.
  44. Owen in GA says:
    Tom Moriarity: Firing squad with bb-guns and an unlimited number of BBs? That’s about the only way I see that one working.
    Some people really don’t think their threats through. We used to see that sort of thing occasionally aimed at government offices and laugh at it. We only got interested when someone said something like “I am going to shoot you”, (or “kill you”, or “blow you up” etc.) that got things forwarded to the federal protection service in a heartbeat. The most common ones were very improbable sexual suggestions – some of which were quite funny when taken literally.
  45. pk says:
    these things are “cooked up” by a small number of probably college students.
    they are not the real thing.
    they fall into the catagory that “if you see the real thing then you know it immediatly for what it is”.
    and these arn’t it.
    C
  46. markstoval says:
    I just can’t work up a drop of sympathy in light of the fact that Jones and his partners in crime are trying to physically hurt the poorest people on the planet by his frauds. Add to that the damage done by his assault on honest science.
    No, he is the scum that several called him. What goes around comes around.
  47. John Whitman says:
    I confirmed that the emails are the product of an official FOI request to and a response from UEA.
    So that leaves me only with a nagging question of doubt about the real source of the threatening emails. I think I am entitled to that doubt given lack of morality by CAGW activists in the past few months wrt Gleick’s perpetration of an email scam and fraud.
    My questions about the real source of the emails can only be answered by a formal investigation of the full email metadata and authors identity. What is the chance of getting that? I will continue my skepticism until that info is made public.
    John
  48. woodNfish says:
    Jenn Oates says: June 13, 2012 at 11:44 am “Debate need not be rude, nor disrespectful to those who disagree.”
    This isn’t a debate. It is billions of dollars, the economy, your job that supports your way of life and your personal freedom. The eco-terrorists are already murdering people in Africa to force this garbage on them. People get angry when what they need to live is threatened, and these “scientists” want to destroy it. I don’t find the comments surprising at all, and I expect at some point some people will carry out their threats.
    Please give up on this “gentle minded academic” nonsense. These people are complete misanthropes and they don’t give a hoot who they harm. They don’t feel your pain. I have a hard time understanding how you can fail to understand that after years of writing this blog and being attacked by them, Anthony. You need to wake up to reality, you really are too kind.
  49. Poptech says:
    What one should immediately recognize is the email reference to Alex Jones, the conspiracy talk show host. I guarantee you that most if not all of these emailed originated from people who listened to his shows. It is no coincidence the comments are closed on all relevant Climategate stories on Info Wars and Prison Planet.
  50. Duster says:
    As concerns the emails, an email arrives with an extensive set of headers that are usually concealed from the user by the email client software. Most of it looks like gibberish anyway, and your average user can’t make much out of it. These can always be used to track back to a source or to evidence that the chain was spoofed. If they derived from a legitimate source, either the owner was the culprit or his account hijacked. Either way one gets a read on the computer sophistication of the sender and their relative criminal leanings. The owners of hijacked accounts should have been informed. So, what did the UEA computer security team do?
    gnomish says:
    June 13, 2012 at 9:17 am

    the meek shall inherit the grave.
    that’s justice. darwin says so.

    Darwin says no such thing. Darwin says, in a reductio ad absurdum, that “survivors survive” – in short, whatever works. What this means is that under many conditions, cooperation among a group leads to enhanced survival within the group; it isn’t anywhere near as simple as “nature bloody in tooth and claw.”
  51. D. King says:
    So, one needs an FOI request to prompt one to send the emails that make one look like a victim?
    Yeah, I wasen’t going to send these out( bad language!), but, since you requested them…
    Sheesh…pathetic!
  52. D. King says:
    wasn’t…sorry.
  53. GlynnMhor says:
    All that looks like “business as usual” on open (non-moderated) posting fora.
  54. Nigel Harris says:
    I found the emails distressing to read, but not nearly as distressing as vile, hateful opinions appearing here in the comments thread. I think the WUWT readership has really lost contact with reality. The very suggestion that these emails would be concocted to garner sympathy is beneath contempt. I would very much like to see Anthony weigh in and condemn these speculations.
  55. Gary Pearse says:
    John Whitman says:
    June 13, 2012 at 9:23 am
    “… I will remain skeptical until I see:
    1) the original FOI request made to UEA/CRU by the person who made the FOI request
    2) the original UEA/CRU acknowledgement of receiving the FOI request that they are required to send to the FOI requester.
    3) any response by the requestor to UEA/CRU receipt acknowledgement notice
    4) the actual UEA/CRU transmittal letter/email sent to the requestor which contained the release of the requested emails/info. ”
    Now this is a skeptic talking and with good grammar and spelling. Gleick underestimated the grit of real skeptics in his juvenile attempt to deceive. Mr. Whitman is from Missouri, or he deserves to be made an honorary citizen.
  56. Tom Barr says:
    So, no resisting that FOI, then?: Notwithstanding the moronic undesirability of such a dense innocuous attack (it’s only words after all, not something genuinely damaging like carbon taxation) I’d say the content, construction & credibility of the emails is directly in line with Gore et al’s unscientific musings, albeit with added profanity. “Reaping the Whirlwind” comes to mind.
  57. These e-mails are very interesting, they look at first sight as if they came from loutish thugs, but if you read them for a second and third time, they are well punctuated, grammatically correct, with no spelling mistakes (apart from “neads”, which no-one ever mis-spells!).
    These e-mails are a contradiction, they are full of foul language and threats, but they are obviously the product of someone who is intelligent. Intelligence seldom goes hand in hand with thuggery, unless the person is a psychopath. I do not think that there are many psychopaths who have an interest in the planet or their tax returns!!!!
    I think these e-mails originated from the recepients!
  58. Poptech says:
    The very suggestion that these emails would be concocted to garner sympathy is beneath contempt.
    No it is not, this is perfectly valid speculation and entirely plausible.
  59. G. Karst says:
    As anyone who has many employees working for them knows: One will find worse, written to them, on the bathroom and elevator walls, of the work place. Any unpopular decision or action will require repainting of walls in these locales. I don’t see this as much different.
    Many frustrated, fearful, angry people love to vent in inappropriate ways. Anonymity gives them this ability to indulge, while seething. Nothing more. GK
  60. Jimbo says:
    Bob Tisdale says:
    June 13, 2012 at 6:49 am
    Oddly, UEA produced documents as a result of this FOI request.
    Exactly.
    I join Anthony in condemning such emails. They serve no purpose at all no matter how angry you are at these brazen manipulators.
  61. more soylent green! says:
    I’m still more concerned about seeing the original (unadjusted) climate data than I am about these emails.
  62. Owen in GA says:
    Nigel Harris: When one first endeavors to deceive, one should not be surprised that others cease to take anything one says at face value. The fact that Jones et al decided to prevaricate through omission and manipulation of the process means that those of us who caught them in the act are naturally going to be suspicious of anything they put out including (but not limited to) the breakfast menu of the local East Anglian public house. So unlike the old Ronald Reagan line of “Trust, but verify”, with these characters it is “Verify, then take what’s left with a pound of salt”.
    That said, people really shouldn’t wish others harm even if they are perpetrators of the biggest fraud (monetarily at least) in the history of history. It is much more polite, when passing a train wreck of this magnitude, to point and laugh.
  63. John Whitman says:
    Nigel Harris says:
    June 13, 2012 at 12:55 pm
    I found the emails distressing to read, but not nearly as distressing as vile, hateful opinions appearing here in the comments thread. I think the WUWT readership has really lost contact with reality. The very suggestion that these emails would be concocted to garner sympathy is beneath contempt. I would very much like to see Anthony weigh in and condemn these speculations.
    - – - – - -
    Nigel Harris,
    An experienced hardened investigative journalist, a good defense attorney or tough nosed senior police detective would not take anything for granted if email threats were formally reported to them. They would question the source of the emails themselves as a routine matter and question the recipient just as closely. You cannot assume anything about the motives any of the people involved. You should read some criminal court transcripts.
    In addition, an edited comment from another blog,
    I think it is prudent to trust but verify first, in general, irrespective of whether or not you are looking at UEA/CRU & Phil Jones related matters.
    Why not question everything? Young children do it naturally. It is healthy and beneficial to learning and self-esteem.
    John
  64. eyesonu says:
    Nigel Harris says:
    June 13, 2012 at 12:55 pm
    =============
    Could you please identify and be more specific with regards to “… distressing as vile, hateful opinions appearing here in the comments thread”?
    Could you recommend sites that you visit that discuss the so-called death threats where we could read comments that would be more suitable to your liking?
    “I would very much like to see Anthony weigh in and condemn these speculations.” Did I condemn your viewpoint which I don’t agree with? Why would you want the majority here to be censured or condemned?
    Are you a bleeding heart liberal who espouses the politically correct view to the point that you are choking on it?
    Am I simply feeding a troll?

2011/09/04

McIntyre and Acolyte Vigilantyism

The unsupported accusations against Jones, Mann etc continues unabated on the "auditing " site
"Did he add any "
"The prima facie evidence "
"this particular finding of the Inquiry Committee clearly does not follow "
"Watch the pea here, "
"It seems to me that “Professor” Jones "
"I use *might* because it is still not clear that any offense was actually "
"The academics did not describe the conduct as it was. Instead, they misdescribed the conduct and then made findings unsupported by the evidence"

etc.
etc.

Never mind the evidence - Hang em High:


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Trial by Lynch Mob is just sooo American

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Lynching is an extrajudicial execution carried out by a mob, often by hanging, but also by burning at the stake or shooting, in order to punish an alleged transgressor, or to intimidate, control, or otherwise manipulate a population of people. It is related to other means of social control that arise in communities, such as charivari, riding the rail, and tarring and feathering. Lynchings have been more frequent in times of social and economic tension, and have often been means used by the politically dominant population to oppress social challengers.

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Then of course there is the poor Phil post.

This is just unbelievable. Apparently Jones lost kgs of weight, and aged 10 years just to comply with media management instigated by Neil Wallis.
This is a truly despicable post by someone who claims only to want the truth!!!!

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If McIntyre is really a climate auditor then should he not be auditing papers such as the Spencer & Braswell paper?? The Cern Cloud report???

No, Perhaps his cognitive function has been clouded by hatred of all things Mann and Jones!

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McIntyre if you really are a climate auditor then should he not be auditing papers such as the Spencer – Braswell paper?? The Cern Cloud report???
There are so many from both sides.
I suppose you will be reposting all the hide the decline emails soon. It must be over a week since you mentioned these!!!!!


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Collected here are data from different past plots on the spencer and braswells discover page


There are many revisions:

Some due to satellite changes (but if temperatures from satellites are accurate then shouldn’t temperature a a fixed altitude be the same from satellite to satellite?)

Some just terminate

Some are just revised by a few 100ths K why? if this is such a clean data source?
Satellites do not give a global snapshot at a time they are a moving window taking hours? days? to complete a global sweep

Is the satellite data corrected for local time?



If satellites recording temp are so variable how can anyone use them to determine the effect of clouds? As far as I’m aware the global temperature derived from satellites is adjused for cloud cover!!!!



Temperatures are derived from someone’s models that derive temperature from radiation+mods for intervening layers etc. Is this really better than surface measurements