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2013/12/31

Oh Dear! (5) More from Our Tony (+ friends)

Continuing the obnoxious/wrong/or just plain nasty posts of Watts and his acolytes.

Just a Random collection of posts mainly on WUWT a blog with vast readership - watts therefore needs to trim these posts BEFORE publishing. He cannot claim in his defence that the posts are not edited - there are so many with bans on posting that this would be a lie.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/10/04/so-much-for-the-theory-that-agw-increases-water-vapor-and-positive-feedback/#comment-1103508

REPLY: You can choose to respond or not, not our call nor our duty beyond determining if the comment violates policy. I do think you just don’t know how to handle online criticism well – Anthony
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  1. Myrrh says:
  2. [snip - bogus email address]
  3. Myrrh says:


    I have already explained, it is the same as before wordpress stole it.
    Your claims that you don’t censor is what is bogus.
    [Reply: We don't censor. And please, use a valid email address. ~dbs, mod.]
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After a few tens of posts like:
Arno Arrak says:

Interesting. Apparently it had not occurred to the high-powered climate scientists that burning fossil fuels actually releases heat. It should be easy enough for them to calculate how much heat is released when a ton of carbon dioxide is produced. It is not surprising that it is concentrated in the cities because that is where most of the fuel is burned.

you get this:

 LazyTeenager says:

It seems his observations were spot-on, as this new paper just published in Nature Climate Change tells us. From the University of San Diego:
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Not exactly.
It’s the USA versus the world. The average global temps are not affected signicantly by this effect.
This effect has only regional consequences that can be both up and down in temperatures.
Might cause a slight uptick in trends in some highly urbanised counties and a slight downtick in trends in other highly urbanised countries. It all depends on where countries are situated with respect to weather patterns.
There is a slight chance it might bias global average temp trends but which way has to be determined.
REPLY: Your opinion is meritless, without citation, and posted from behind the cloak of anonymity with a juvenile self descriptive label . In laymans terms: crap. If you want it to be taken seriously, show some citations and have the courage to stand behind your words. I tire of your predictable cowardly noise, as do others. My best advice is to elevate your status from this level if you wish to contribute something useful. – Anthony
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A bit different on this blog that censors dissenting views (so much that no one bothers posting  anymore) :
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/01/26/and-they-wonder-why-skeptic-blogs-get-more-traffic/

Rhoda R says:

I don’t bother with sites that censor differing opinions. They are boring.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


More from the rejected post
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REPLY: Dear Mike Tuppen (aka thefordprefect) outed here in climategate emails – You are in permanent moderation for all comments, because you have abused your posting privileges here many times before, don’t get a big head that we are allowing you back permanently because these were allowed. And no, I’m not interested in discussing your previous issue with hateful vitriol, those will stay in the bit bucket. Be as upset as you wish.
Moderators – don’t approve any comments from Mr. Tuppen that diverge from his discussion of IR and CO2 – Anthony

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double standards!

Lewandowsky’s latest smear paper gets pulled from the journal website


Readers may recall these two recent WUWT stories:
  • More shameless conspiracy theory from the ‘Skeptical Science’ smear quest team
  • Lewandowsky’s bear-baiting behavior
Tonight I’m pleased to report, that one skeptic who stood up and complained about Lewandowsky’s libelous claims, has had an effect. – Anthony
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force a paper to be pulled because you disagree with it. Use that magic LIBEL legal word imply that you could go to court -
compare to:
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Mann -vs- NRO legal battle, heating up


Reposted from National Review Online
Please support us in our fight against Professor Michael Mann.
By Jack Fowler
We’re being sued, and we need your help.
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here we have Mann's livelyhood being threatened by truly libellous statements.

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A couple from WUWT who never block comments!!!

LazyTeenager says:


February 20, 2013 at 8:53 pm

[snip. Per Anthony, you are one of the very rare persona non grata here. Run along now. — mod.]

ericgrimsrud says:


February 20, 2013 at 6:48 pm

[snip. Persona non grata. — mod.]

REPLY: If it were only that simple. Please read my policy page under the header menu. Both of these people have crossed the line from simply being wrong, to doing and saying things that have crossed the line of decency. I simply don’t want them to be in my “home on the Internet” any longer. I have been quite tolerant, and each of these commenters has had several hundred comments here. But, when they cross lines of decency, I’m not obligated to take abuse in my own home. – Anthony




[Reply #2: You have not read Eric Grimsrud's thoroughly despicable comments, which were deleted before thy were posted. He is truly a horrible human being, and Anthony went out of his way to accommodate Mr Grimsrud. [— From one of Anthony's long term moderators.]



Regarding Lazy T, Anthony has finally had his fill: “OK that’s it, you are banned, permanently. Get the hell off my blog. I won’t tolerate this sort of hateful crap from you anymore. Mr. Rothwell.” – Anthony Watts. Sometimes a line is crossed, and action must be taken. This is not censorship, this is housekeeping. — mod.]
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WUWT Revisionism!!!!


http://regator.com/p/259385993/pielke_jr_gets_booted_from_journal_for_giving/

Pielke Jr. gets booted from Journal for giving an unfavorable peer review to some shoddy science

2 days agoAcademics / General Science : Watts Up With That?
Mark Steyn writes at The Corner (NRO): Score-Settled Science Since being sued by fantasy Nobel Laureate and global warm-monger Michael E Mann for mocking his hockey stick, I’ve taken a greater than usual interest in the conformity enforcers of the … Continue reading ?
read more

becomes:

Pielke Jr. appears to get booted from a journal for giving an unfavorable peer review to some shoddy science


I think the journal did a poor job of communicating this to him, but I can’t disagree with their decision. I work in biological sciences. My mentor is on the board of a journal and gets up to 50 requests a year to review manuscripts. I personally do approximately 20/year. I’m stunned the GEC has so low a requirement for ‘editorial board’ status. I’m not sure his interest (better word involvement?) was waning, but rather seemed below expectation from the start.

YET
Tony says
Unreliable*
  • * Due to (1) deletion, extension and amending of user comments, and (2) undated post-publication revisions of article contents after significant user commenting.


  • What is worse is that Pielke got dismissed because he did insufficient reviewing!  AND the "peer" review was I believe only on his blog!
    Brilliant
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    Another ip lookup by Tony -
    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/07/08/professor-critical-of-agw-theory-being-disenfranchised-exiled-from-academia-in-australia/#comment-1358916

    alex says: July 8, 2013 at 11:37 pm
    Hey, guy, what did you expect? They would pay you for your denial? For your denial tour Europe? You are silly. The only thing I do not understand – why they hired you at all. Or you were not a denier at that time? Of course, you got a tenured job and thought you be safe. Now you know it better. Gotcha!

     REPLY: so does Heinrich-Heine-Universitaet in Duesseldorf condone such use of their network to write such drivel, or are you “tenured” and thus above the law? – Anthony
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    trafamadore says:
    richardscourtney says:”I am writing so you know I read your reply which demonstrates you failed to read or understand my post to you.”
    ActualIy, understand your post perfectly.
    You think: that there are tens or hundreds or even thousands of climate scientists involved in a conspiracy of some sort to convince the world that global warming is occurring, and making up data to convince people of this. These scientists speak different languages, live in different counties and do research is completely different areas.
    I think: you are nuts.

    REPLY:
    Maybe, but at least he has the courage to put his name to his ideas, so that if he is wrong, he is accountable personally, unlike you. -Anthony
    UPDATE: upon further inspection I find that:
    jr2458@sbcglobal.net – Result: Bad
    MX record about sbcglobal.net exists.
    Connection succeeded to mx2.sbcglobal.am0.yahoodns.net SMTP.
    421 4.7.1 [TS03] All messages from verify-email.org will be permanently deferred; Retrying will NOT succeed. See http://postmaster.yahoo.com/421-ts03.html
    So see ya later, anonymous coward. A valid email address is required to post here by blog policy. Having none, you get the redirect to the permanent spam bin. – Anthony

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    That’s a great point about Art Robinson’s pivotal Oregon Petition Project.
    Was a point made?
    In keeping with Johnathon abbott’s testimonial about familiarising onesself with all sides of the debate, here are some critical comments on the petition.
    Bottom line is 0.3% of the science community signed the petition, the petition makers won’t release the data (the full qualifications/field of each signatory), it is likely only a small fraction have expertise in climare science (should statisticians give opinion on neurosurgery?).
    There are more opinions than this, of course. It pays to be skeptical.
    REPLY: Except that “skeptical science” isn’t. That’s the best you can do? Laughable. A rhetorical point: should anonymous cowards like you with no qualifications in climate have an opinion on climate science? -Anthony
    barry says:
    (Rhetorical reply: moderators can see the identities of those posters, and so can Anthony. But you hide your identity. ~mod)
    I once sent Anthony copies of ATI’s release of UVa emails, identified myself from WUWT and declared my name. Very happy to email Anthony my name again, and he can share it with the mods if he wishes.
    REPLY: I don’t recall seeing such an email, or if I did, making any connection. OTOH I get dozens to hundreds of emails a day, so it may just be lost in the noise. – Anthony
    (Reply #2: Anthony previously wrote to you: I’m really rather tired of your pot shots here from behind the comfort of anonymity, where if you are wrong there’s no downside for you because you take the no risk hidey hole route. You were then asked again to identify yourself. Your one word reply: “No.”
    Now is your chance, ‘barry’. Provide a verifiable identity, or remain anonymous. ~mod)
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    The site is moderate so there must be agreementwith this comment
    david says:
    After they get rid of the Green agenda crap they need to restore the gun rights to their citizens

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    Just how obnoxious is the word "denier" or is it OK if Tony uses it?

    David Appell denies he has any class

    sharper00 says:
    “REPLY: and the AGW community is still stuck on thinking that CO2 is the cause of everything – A”
    What you want to say about the pros and cons of that argument it’s still the case that continuing to attack papers written over 12 years ago which have been superseded by new work both from the author in question and other authors is not a good approach.
    Claiming that either McIntyre is right or there’s a hockeystick is a false dichotomy. McIntyre has never produced his own reconstruction and has only ever critiqued others, which is certainly his right but that also makes it impossible to apply his work to what’s actually happening as opposed to what might be wrong with what others say is happening.
    You can accept everything McIntyre says (or at least a lot of it) and still say there’s modern temperatures are the hottest in a thousand years.
    While it’s easy and indeed common for the blogosphere to get caught up in “the debate” and the personalities (see also Steig/O’Donnell) there’s still an underlying reality which is being investigated. The investigation suggests time and again that as above it’s now hotter than in recent history. This in itself says nothing about why that is and ultimately almost everything in the paleo climate record is going to be little to do with human activity.
    REPLY: spoken like a true MWP and RWP denier, which is the crux of the problem – A
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    Hmmm!

    Weather Channel nixes “Forecast Earth”, including Cullen

    Phil. says:
    Richard:
    I think everybody reading here would agree with cleaner air and water. Thing is a modern coal plant produces very little pollution if you do not count CO2, and other forms of fuel like natural gas produce no pollution. Most(though not all) fuels do not pollute water.
    Then consider Bio fuels cause huge pollution, energy saving light bulbs contain mercury, wind power has a huge physical footprint, tidal barriers and dams destroy habitat.

    One third of the US mercury emissions come from those coal plants!
    dbstealey, moderator:
    Reply: Will, you’re new around here, so you may not know it, but we don’t use the word “deniers,” or any of its permutations. Please use “skeptic,” meaning one who questions.
    Excuse me but ‘skepticism’ is not a synonym for ‘denial’, I’ll continue to use whichever one is appropriate and would suggest Will does likewise!
    REPLY: Ok Phil, let me make this easy for you.
    This blog is my home on the internet, you along with many others, are guests here, just as if I invited you into my living room for a chat. Now if one of my guests gets unruly, and says things that not only insults me, but the other guests, I see it as a reasonable to ask that person to refrain from doing so, and if they choose not to, ask them to leave my home.
    Should I be asking you to leave? Or would you prefer to use a gentler word not linked to WWII Germany to describe your host and other guests? – Anthony

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    Paging David Appell – ‘death threats against climate scientists’ story even deader than yesterday

    Nick Stokes says:
    Anthony,
    I have to say that calling me out in a post and then putting me on troll moderation which makes replying difficult, is hardly playing fair.
    REPLY: You were put on troll moderation YESTERDAY, not after I made this post, and you know this. Both you and Appell can’t seem to embrace humility, or to even admit you’ve been wrong, try it sometime. Until then, you get the slow lane. – Anthony
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     A load of death wishes linked - remember thias is a moderated blog so these have therefore been endorsed!!!!!: 

    FOI email: science is only influenced by ‘big oil’ if they do it

    SergeiMK says:
    Cannot agree more – such hypocrisy:
    Lets look at some of the very ugly DEATH wishes posted here with moderators agreements
    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/28/catlin-crew-out-of-time/#comment-123269
    Chemist says:
    April 28, 2009 at 4:48 pm
    I’ll be the one to say it: I hope they die so that their deaths will draw attention to the truth of this issue. If they succeed, then it will be just another propaganda
    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/05/04/question-for-catlin-arctic-survey-what-happens-to-the-fuel-drums/#comment-126853
    Daniel L. Taylor says: May 5, 2009 at 6:51 am
    …Maybe I’m just a cold hearted SoB, but in my opinion they need to freeze to death on that ice. The world needs to see the headline “Global Warming scientists …
    I’m sorry, but if the deaths of everyone on that ice survey team helps raise awareness of and opposition to the global warming political train wreck then so be it. It needs to happen.
    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/03/26/admiration-for-the-catlin-explorers/#comment-105433
    Rachelle Young says:
    March 26, 2009 at 8:52 pm
    I would be content to see all three of them freeze to death or be eaten by ‘endangered’ polar bears
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    Is Overpeck’s statement worse than wishing someone dies?
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    For no reason this appears in an article by tisdale:
    Anthony Watts says:

    @Bob Tisdale.
    Don’t give this jerk “Taminio” the benefit of anonymity. His name is Grant Foster, he lives in Portland Maine.
    Use his name when discussing his claims, if he stands behind his work, then he should have any problem with his name being applied to it.
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    Dumb Scientist says:
    I still think it’s possible that Anthony has the integrity to not snip this comment, so I’ll repeat my challenge that got snipped earlier: “I’d be very interested to see WUWT read through 10,000 scientific abstracts and rate them. You could show the world how to do a proper survey… right?”
    REPLY: Oh please. Bryan for the record, I don’t give a rats ass about what you think about comment policy (see here). You put words in my mouth in the last comment, I snipped it because of that. Get over yourself. Why don’t you get your peers at JPL to do it, if it is so important to you? After all, you’ve got millions of dollars of government money at your disposal there and we have next to nothing.
    The whole consensus chasing is a waste of time in my opinion, Mother Nature will be the final arbiter of the AGW issue- Anthony
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    and the whole point of WUWT post is about 52 or 97% consensus !!!!!
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    Some one steals a private BB and releases the private posts to the "skeptics"
    Then McIntyre says
    Steve: .... As to my remarks on your comments in the SKS forum: over the years, I’ve gotten tired of people privately conceding the validity of my criticisms of paleoclimate practices, but failing to do so publicly. In your case, your SKS forum comments show that you agreed with many of my criticisms, but, instead of saying so at SKS, you called me a “conspiracy wackjob” – an offensive and untrue allegation. instead of apologizing when I took issue in my above remarks – as you ought to have done – you complained that your remarks had become public. I understand that you were young at the time and I would be quite happy to accept your withdrawal of these offensive and untrue remarks and move on. But first you have to withdraw the allegations, rather than complaining about how they became public.

    Robert way then says
    That being said I do draw the line at what Steve did above. He said basically that in my hacked personal correspondence I said things about him (and many other people) that he didn’t like so he will continue to spread the contents of this hacked correspondence until I “apologize” to him personally. To me this is the type of behavior you very often see in classrooms where a cellphone is stolen and one person says to the other either you apologize to me or I’m going to keep spreading around the bad things you messaged people. You can each yourselves be the judge of what grade level this type of situation occurs the most at ;) I will be issuing no apology to an implied threat or some form of blackmail
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    Now usually in a private conversation many things may be said privately. These may include private thoughts about others not included in the conversation.
    If you then steal these conversations and you find things you dislike that's YOUR problem.
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    Obnoxious and libellous commentary which will not be retracted even if his mate Monkton disagrees.
    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/12/04/al-gores-polarbeargate-scientist-forced-to-retire/
    Source: http://www.nbcnews.com/science/scientist-settles-legal-case-over-study-polar-bear-drownings-2D11691760
    So the message is: be a dimwit, make stuff up, and get paid for it.
    No word yet on whether he’ll get to keep the cushy retirement package that Federal Employees get.
    Looking further, it appears that he’ll be able to keep it.
    According to the PEER Union, they claim “vindication”:...
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    Saving the Antarctic scientists, er media, er, activists, er tourists trapped by sea ice

    =
    markstoval says:
    ...
    I think these people have been the cause of much death and misery. I would not be able to suppress a grin if they met the fate they want the poor to meet. (and I would not feel guilty one little bit)
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    Steve B says:

    dp says:
    December 29, 2013 at 7:43 pm
    Steve B says:
    December 29, 2013 at 6:33 pm
    Why????
    Some of us are reasonable and intelligent people who know when a line should not be crossed in debate. Wishing one’s opponents dead crosses that line. If you agree then your question makes no sense. If you don’t agree, your question is of no consequence. You have no winning position in this conversation.
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    As one poster said earlier in this thread, these are the contributors of thousands of deaths due to energy poverty which would not exist if it was not for this terrible scam. Retribution is warranted especially when mother nature herself dishes it out. No sympathy here. Unfortunately they will get off scott free and spin the whole thing.
    [Ease up. NOBODY representing this site wishes harm come to ANYBODY. ANYWHERE. Mod]

    =====so why allow the posting then???????????????????????

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    The Antarctic ‘research’ fiasco – ‘would you, could you, in a boat’?

    Michael Ronayne says: December 30, 2013 at 10:47 am  

    Question:
    What do you call a ship load of trapped Global Cooling Deniers who are in danger of freezing to death?
    Answer:
    A good start!
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    JohnWho says:

    Alan Robertson says: 
    _______________________________
    Q: What do you need if you find a shipload of Climate Numpties, stuck in the ice?
    A: More ice.
    And some bourbon.
    :)
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    Richard D says:

    Rob Dawg says: December 30, 2013 at 12:31 pm
    While never wishing personal harm
    _________________________________-
    Sorry you’ve been bullied/shamed into thinking criticism of stupidity equals wishing others harm
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    Richard Day says: December 31, 2013 at 3:45 pm  

    I hope they run out of food and fuel and heavy storms prevents any kind of rescue or food drops. Much hilarity ensues.
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    Rod-meteorologist says: January 1, 2014 at 10:03 am  

    I hope they get out OK, yet I can’t help but observe that the gene pool would be better off without them!

    2013/04/06

    Conversation with a Slayer of The Sky Dragon

    First, perhaps the most relevant post

    I had suggested surrounding a internally heated body with a froven - a fridge/oven giving active heating and cooling to a set temperature.
    Also body and inner surface of froven are black bodies with same albedo

     The post with clarification added!:

    thefordprefect says: 2013/04/04 at 11:52 AM

    [JP:... If the body has a heat source then it will stay at the temperature it was at without the oven heating it from a higher temperature. If the oven is cooler than the body than it can not heat the body. Photon quanta from a cooler source do not warm up a warmer source, even if they might exist. It is not a "sudden" cessation of effect when the oven becomes cooler than the body - it is a smooth transition in the direction of q, of heating.]

    This cannot be correct.

    If the temperature of the froven is warmer than the body you suggest it heats the body.
    If the froven is cooler than the body you suggest it has no effect.
    If the body is radiating quanta from a 100°C source then the hotter froven will be radiating to the body quanta from its 100C+ walls.
     If the body is radiating quanta from a 100°C source then the cooler froven will be radiating nothing from it 100C- as if it were at absolute zero thats one heck of a sudden step.

     Do I understand correctly?

    [JP: Not quite yet. If the body is warmer than the oven, then the body heats the oven. If the oven is warmer than the body, then the oven heats the body. This is a smooth transition in the direction of heating as a function of the temperature differential: -2 -1 0 1 2 etc. A smooth transition, not a sudden stop.]

    thefordprefect says: Your comment is awaiting moderation. 2013/04/05 at 11:52 AM
      Seem to have problems posting so I’ll try again:
    [JP: Not quite yet. If the body is warmer than the oven, then the body heats the oven. If the oven is warmer than the body, then the oven heats the body. This is a smooth transition in the direction of heating as a function of the temperature differential: -2 -1 0 1 2 etc. A smooth transition, not a sudden stop.]
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    you have stated definitely that there is no transfer of energy from cold to hot:

    “but what I do know is that they do NOT work by cold heating hot – hahaha what a stupid idea.”
    “[JP Reply: Trashed because we've already answered you. q from the shell to the planet is 0. ZERO. There is no heat loss from the shell to the planet. Even if the shell is emitting on the inside, there is no heat loss to the planet. The only direction the shell can lose heat is outwards, and hence it loses the equivalent of 800 W/m2 outwards.]”
    “Radiated energy does not equate to net heat transfer or even net energy transfer. The equation of heat flow for radiation, from physics, from actual physics textbooks and from actual universities and actual physics degrees, is q ~ (T2^4 – T1^4). If T2 = T1, then q = 0, and nothing heats up, even though there’s all that radiation. ”

    So firstly I hope you would agree that the quanta of energy leaving a surface cannot depend on the final destination of the quanta i.e. its temperature, material and surface – it only depends on the source material and temperature.
    I also believe this describes your point of view:
    The final destination of the radiation determines what happens to the quanta (rejected or absorbed)

    where 100C- a very very very! small bit less than 100C 100C+ a very very very! small bit more than 100C w greater than y
    y greater than x
    and x greater than z

    oven at 101C transfers zero quanta to body at 10000C (equivalent to back radiation)
    body at 10000C transfers w quanta to oven at 101C

    body at 100C transfers zero quanta to oven at 101C (equivalent to back radiation)
    oven at 101C transfers x quanta to body at 100C

    oven at 100C- transfers zero quanta to body at 100C (equivalent to back radiation)
    body at 100C transfers x quanta to oven at 101C-

    oven at 100C+ transfers x+1 quanta to body at 100C
    body at 100C transfers zero quanta to oven at 100C+ (equivalent to back radiation)

    body at 100C transfers y quanta to oven at 99C
    oven at 99C transfers zero quanta to body at 100C (equivalent to back radiation)

    oven at 10000C transfers w quanta to body at 100C body at 100C transfers zero quanta to oven at 10000C (equivalent to back radiation)

    at 100C- to 100C+ oven temperature the body quanta changes from outputting x to receiving x+1 quanta
    .
    Somehow this does not seem to be a smooth or logical transition


    Warmists would say quanta emitted from an object depends only on the object and its temperature. the final destination of the radiation is immaterial (well actually the quanta knows nothing until it hits the surface)
    The sum of all quanta determines the rate of loss/gain of heat

    oven at 101C transfers y quanta to body at 10000C (equivalent to back radiation)
    body at 10000C transfers w quanta to oven at 101C

    oven at 101C transfers y quanta to body at 100C
    body at 100C transfers x quanta to oven at 101C (equivalent to back radiation)

    oven at 100C- transfers x-1 quanta to body at 100C (equivalent to back radiation)
    body at 100C transfers x quanta to oven at 101C-

    oven at 100C+ transfers x+1 quanta to body at 100C
    body at 100C transfers x quanta to oven at 100C+ (equivalent to back radiation)

    oven at 99C transfers z quanta to body at 100C (equivalent to back radiation)
    body at 100C transfers x quanta to oven at 99C

    oven at 10000C transfers w quanta to body at 100C
    body at 100C transfers x quanta to oven at 10000C (equivalent to back radiation)

    Consider 100C- to 100C+ oven temperature - the100C body quanta output is x and at 100C- it receives x-1 quanta and at 100C+ it receives x+1 quanta

    A smooth and logical transition.
    I assume that I have this wrong somehow so perhaps using x,y,z you could explain your position

    [This last post did not get past moderation!]
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    In pictures:
    Assumed output from body and shell at 0K this is zero at 10K this is 100 quanta


    .

    As the energy quanta increases from zero to 100 from body B with the temperature of B increasing from 0 to 10K
     the energy quanta from shell A goes from 100 to zero as the temperature decreases from 10 to 0K

    The temperature determines the quanta of energy released from the bodies

    The warmist view would be that all energy from A gets absorbed by B and all energy from B gets absorbed by A irrespective of the temperature of each body

    The Slayer version suggests that if the temperature of A is less than B then the transfer to B becomes zero/is reflected/cancels /nulled
    and if the temperature of B is less than A then the transfer to A becomes zero/is reflected/cancels/nulled

    This is shown in this diagram.

    If one then looks at the net flow of quanta from A to B then the slayer version has a discontinuity where the temperatures are the same. The warmist version is a simple straight line which at B=A temperature the net transfer is zero.
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    The whole thread



    2012/12/15

    WUWT - cherry picking again

    Water Vapour
    The Watts nail in the coffin of AGW headline:

    Another IPCC AR5 reviewer speaks out: no trend in global water vapor


    New global water vapor findings contradict second draft of IPCC Assessment Report 5 (AR5)

    Well, the paper this blogger / expert reviewer is behind a paywall so we have to assume that what he quotes is correct. But a quick search pulls up this paper

    http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/BAMS-86-2-245

    This from the abstract TPW=total precipitable water:
    ...Further, we found out that the TPW anomalies are driven by the global surface temperature anomalies, but with a lag.

    and from the text:

    Time series plots of monthly and annual anomalies of TPW for the two datasets are shown in Figs. 8a and 8b, respectively. Also included in Fig. 8 is the global surface temperature anomaly, computed based on NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) global surface temperature data (Hansen et al. 1999).
    The first 3 yr (1988–90) and part of 1996 show significant discrepancies between the anomalies of the two TPW datasets. There is, however, a good agreement for most parts of the other years. Linear regressionsbetween the two datasets show a correlation coefficient of 0.66 for the monthly anomalies and 0.74 for the annual anomalies. TPW anomalies are closely correlated to surface temperature anomalies. The correlation with surface temperature is higher for R-2 than for NVAP (Fig. 8d). The maximum cross correlation between TPW and surface temperature is reachedwhen the temperature leads the TPW by 2 months and equals 0.67 for R-2 and0.50 for NVAP. This suggests that precipitable water anomalies are driven by the temperature anomalies.


     
    The problem is which cherry to pick?!!!!
     
     
    Then of course Watts puts his foot in the wet and smelly with this blog post:

    IPCC AR5 draft leaked, contains game-changing admission of enhanced solar forcing – as well as a lack of warming to match model projections, and reversal on ‘extreme weather’

    So in this headline post we have a total misreading of a document. One of the authors  (and surely he should know) sais so on Australian Radio: .

    The leaked IPCC drafts cover a range of subjects from the quality of climate models to measurements of sea level rise and Arctic ice loss.

    Professor Steve Sherwood is a director of the Climate Change Research Centre at the University of New South Wales.

    He is also a lead author of chapter seven of the IPCC report, which happens to be the one the sceptics are claiming for their side.

    But Professor Sherwood is scornful of the idea that the chapter he helped write confirms a greater role for solar and other cosmic rays in global warming.

    STEVE SHERWOOD: Oh that's completely ridiculous. I'm sure you could go and read those paragraphs yourself and the summary of it and see that we conclude exactly the opposite, that this cosmic ray effect that the paragraph is discussing appears to be negligible.

    MARK COLVIN: They're saying that it is the first indication that the IPCC recognises something called solar forcing.

    STEVE SHERWOOD: It's not the first time it recognises it. What it shows is that we looked at this. We look at everything. The IPCC has a very comprehensive process where we try to look at all the influences on climate and so we looked at this one.

    And there have been a couple of papers suggesting that solar forcing affects climate through cosmic ray/cloud interactions, but most of the literature on this shows that that doesn't actually work.

    MARK COLVIN: So you're saying that you've managed to basically eliminate this idea that sunspots or whatever are more responsible for global warming than human activity.

    STEVE SHERWOOD: Based on the peer-reviewed literature that's available now, that looks extremely unlikely.

    MARK COLVIN: So what have these people done? Is this just a case of cherry-picking a sentence?

    STEVE SHERWOOD: Yeah, it's a pretty severe case of that, because even the sentence doesn't say what they say and certainly if you look at the context, we're really saying the opposite.
    http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2012/s3654926.htm

    It looks as if IPCC has played a blinder.
    They can see where the "skeptics" will find inconsitancies and then clarify before publishing and all for free
    They also show that sketics cannot read or comprehend!.
     

    2012/09/23

    Watts & Co Misuse of Blogs

     
    "THEY" talk about corruption of peer review
    "THEY" talk about climate scientists forcing publication editors to resign.
     
    "THEY" find it quite ok trying to destroy a scientists reputation because they disagree with his results - DESPICABLE, TWO-FACED ... etc. etc.
    From CA
  • Anthony Watts
    Posted Sep 22, 2012 at 10:15 AM | Permalink | Reply
    for those that are keeping track, and wish to register a complaint on the statistical methodology being faulty (not to mention the sampling) you can contact:
    Professor Robyn Owens
    Deputy Vice-Chancellor (Research)
    The University of Western Australia, M460
    35 Stirling Highway, Crawley WA 6009
    [full phone email details were included here]
    • Posted Sep 22, 2012 at 2:14 PM | Permalink | Reply
      Your comment is awaiting moderation. well done watts trial by blog is an ideal way to improve science
    • HAS
      Posted Sep 22, 2012 at 3:53 PM | Permalink | Reply
      Another way in is through the funding agency. L. is part funded through a Discovery Australia Linkage Project LP120100224 “Creating a climate for change: from cognition to consensus” (you can find details of the Australian Research Council site). The administering organisation is the University of NSW who have a contract with the ARC for this funding (the generic contract is on the ARC site). Ben R Newell Assoc Prof @NSW is likely the lead.
      Anyway there a number of points in the ARC contract that are possible breached by L. et al. and the associated publicity around it. A quick scan suggests that those climate sceptics that feel aggrieved should review clause 18.4 and 18.6 of the funding contract that reference the Australian Code for the Responsible Conduct of Research (2007) (also available at the ARC web site).
      The sections dealing with conflict of interest (L. other blog interests); respect for research participants; reporting results; and communicating research findings (informing interested parties before the media) appear to have been breached. These are matters that could well be referenced regardless of the contract in any communication directly with the UWA. The Code lays down the process for UWA to follow.
      However while UWA may seek to balance Code compliance with academic freedom there is the issue of the ARC contract under which L.’s activities have been part funded. It seems that UWA and the U. of NSW also have a responsibility in this regard that are not balanced by academic freedom, and the ARC as funder has a clear interest in breaches. These could all be approached by anyone who feels L.’s work has breached the code (or any other part of the funding agreement) pointing out these obligations are independent of academic freedom.
  • 2012/08/03

    Climate Audit at Last Back On track

    After wasting his time on an ignominious essay from Tony McIntyre gets back on track doing what he does so well.
    Not science.
    Nothing to do with climate.
    Nothing to do with auditing.
    Nothing to do with statistics.

    He's frothing at the mouth on his quest to embarrass scientists who wrote emails where they robustly discussed science.

    A brilliant invention - emails - as quick as voice, you have a copy of what was discussed, you can send data and plots. It is not as formal as a letter and you feel you can tell someone their ideas are wrong without causing real hurt.

    Then along comes a slavering pack of underworld denizens who cannot kill climate science with their own research - they do ABSOLUTELY NONE - but they can stop  real scientists working using FOI attacks. They then attempt to destroy their science (in the minds of the public) by quoting from stolen Emails that the authors thought were private robust discussions.

    It must be difficult finding a private channel where these discussions can now be made!

    It is also interesting that Tallbloke has been away from blogging for weeks:

    Roger Andrews says:
    TB
    Welcome back. I guess the Norfolk fuzz released you when they wrapped up their enquiry, right? ;-)

    Or is it he has been going over the next batch of emails with FOI looking for the good bits!!



    From Tony a call to Arms:

    The secret letter UEA and CRU doesn’t want us (or anybody else) to read


    Uh oh.
    Steve McIntyre has written an eviscerating essay about a secret letter circulated by the IPCC to UEA/CRU, which they are refusing to divulge, because it will:
    ...
    I suggest that all hands immediately work on FOI requests to UEA requesting this letter. We might also want to start a betting pool on how long they’ll be able to hold out.
    Somewhere, we have the procedure for FOI requests in the UK, but I’ve misplaced it. Sharp readers will likely find it and post in comments, so I can update this post.
    ========================
    Oh dear the man seems out of control:

    1. Please don’t file FOI requests on this matter to UEA. That’s already been done and is under appeal. Further efforts doing the same thing will make it more difficult in the future. Please don’t do this.
      On the other hand, you may wish to consider steps in your own jurisdiction.
      REPLY: I’ve made some changes to the text which will likely yield better results – Anthony
    -----------------------------
    Is this a way of hiding the failure of Tony's paper?




    2012/07/21

    Tony's WUWT Non-Science

    Recorded, it surely cannot be allowd to stay:
    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/07/21/some-thoughts-on-radiative-transfer-and-ghgs/

    Some thoughts on radiative transfer and GHG’s



    Absorptions bands in the Earth's atmosphere cr...
    Absorptions bands in the Earth’s atmosphere created by greenhouse gases and the resulting effects on transmitted radiation. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)
    Guest post by Reed Coray
    The following example illustrates the issues I have with reasoning often used to argue that increasing the amount of CO2 in the Earth’s atmosphere will increase both the Earth’s surface temperature and the Earth’s atmosphere temperature. Immediately following is a direct quote from URL
    The present situation is that there has been an increase in infrared-absorbing gases in the atmosphere, such as carbon dioxide (CO2) and methane (CH4). Energy that would normally escape into space is absorbed by these molecules, thus heating the atmosphere and spreading through convection currents. The average temperature of the atmosphere has increased 0.25 °C since 1980, mainly attributed to an increase in infrared-absorbing gases in the atmosphere.
    Although the above statement makes no direct reference to Earth surface temperature, I believe it carries the implication that greenhouse gases in the Earth’s atmosphere increase the Earth’s surface temperature.
    I make two comments: the first is relevant only if the above implication is valid, the second is relevant independent of the validity of the implication. First, placing matter adjacent to a warm surface such that the matter is capable of absorbing/blocking radiation to space from the warm surface can lead to a decrease in the warm surface’s temperature. Second, increasing the amount of the absorbing/blocking matter can lower the temperature of the absorbing/blocking material.
    Take for example an internal combustion engine whose metal surface is exposed to a vacuum. In addition to doing useful work, the engine produces thermal energy (heat). That thermal energy will produce a rise in the temperature of the engine’s surface such that in energy-rate equilibrium the rate energy is radiated to space from the engine’s surface is equal to the rate thermal energy is generated within the engine. By attaching radiating plates to the engine’s surface, some of the energy radiated to space from the engine’s original surface will be absorbed/blocked by the plates;
    not true only radiation leaving the surface at some acute angle will be re-absorbed
     but because thermal energy can be transferred from the engine to the plates via both radiation and conduction, the temperature of the engine’s original surface will be lowered.
    Wrong - if less radiation is leaving the engine gets hotter
     This is the principle of an air-cooled engine[1]: provide a means other than radiation of transferring heat from an engine to a large surface area from which heat can be removed via a combination of conduction, convection and radiation, and the engine’s surface temperature will be lowered.
    If plates at a temperature lower than the original engine surface temperature are attached to the engine, it’s true that the temperature of the plates will increase to establish energy-rate equilibrium. Once energy-rate equilibrium is established, however, increasing the plate radiating area (adding additional matter that blocks more of the energy radiated from the original engine surface) will likely lower the plate temperature.
    Depends on conduction of fin and relative temperature of cooling air and fin
    Thus, blocking the amount of surface radiation escaping to space does not necessarily increase the surface temperature; and increasing the amount of radiation blocking material does not necessarily increase the temperature of that material. In both cases (the Earth/Earth-atmosphere and the internal combustion engine in a vacuum), the heat eventually escapes to space–otherwise the temperature of the Earth’s surface and the engine would continue to rise indefinitely.
    All that is just garbage. All solids radiate (accoding to its temperature and emissivity - not necessarily fitting a black body curve). Take away any GHGs and the surface of the earth radiates directly to space with no back radiation and no impeding of radiation to the background temp of space.  O2 an N2 and H2 etc. do not stop significant radiated energy but they will be warmed by the earth - none of the O2 N2 will be able to radiate this heat to space. The temperature of the O2 and N2 will get NO HOTTER than the surface of the Earth, but they WILL NOT enable the earth to heat up further. Add GHGs and each molecule will "absorb" and "retransmit" radiation. The radiation retransmitted can be in any direction but nearly 50%- hits the earth and 50%+ goes to space. The 50% hitting the earth is 50% that would have escaped had there been no GHG. -The earth warmed by the sun cools slower because of GHG presence. The earth conducts to the rest of the atmosphere warming it.
     The difference isn’t that the energy doesn’t eventually escape to space (it does in both cases), the difference is in the path the energy takes to reach space. The amount of generated thermal energy in conjunction with the path the thermal energy takes to get to space determines temperatures along the path; and adding more material may increase or decrease those temperatures. To say that “Energy that would normally escape into space is absorbed by these molecules, thus heating the atmosphere…” by itself is unwarranted; because an equivalent statement for the case of adding extra plate material to the engine would be “Energy that would normally escape to space from an engine with small attached plates is absorbed by additional plate material, thus heating the plates…” For air-cooled engines, this statement is not true—otherwise the plate surface area of air-cooled engines would be as small as possible.
    WHAT!!!!
    It’s fairly easy to visualize why (a) adding thermally radiating plates to an air-cooled engine might decrease the engine’s surface temperature, and (b) increasing the area of the radiating plates might decrease the plate temperature. It’s not so easy to visualize, and may not be true, why (a) adding greenhouse gases to the Earth’s atmosphere decreases the Earth’s surface temperature; and (b) increasing the amount of atmospheric greenhouse gases lowers the temperature of the Earth’s atmosphere. I now present one possible argument. I do not claim that the argument is valid for greenhouse gases in the Earth’s atmosphere, but I do claim that the argument might be valid, and can only be refuted by an analysis more detailed than simply claiming “Energy that would normally escape into space is absorbed by these molecules, thus heating the atmosphere.”
    I do not believe photons absorbed by GHGs heat the atmosphere The photons emitted from GHGs eventually(perhaps after many absorbtion/retransmittions eithe leave the system or hit the earth warming it. The warm earth heats the atmosphere
    If we assume that (a) matter cannot leave the Earth/Earth-atmosphere system, and (b) non-greenhouse gases radiate negligible energy to space, then for a non-greenhouse gas atmosphere the only way thermal energy can leave the Earth/Earth-atmosphere system to space is via radiation from the surface of the Earth. The rate radiation leaves the surface is in part a function of both the area and temperature of the surface. For a greenhouse gas atmosphere, energy can leave the Earth/Earth-atmosphere system to space both via radiation from the Earth’s surface and radiation from greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. Suppose it is true that the density of greenhouse gases near the Earth’s surface is such that radiation emitted from low-altitude greenhouse gases does not directly escape to space, but is in part directed towards the Earth’s surface and in part absorbed by other atmospheric greenhouse gases. As the atmospheric greenhouse gas density decreases with increasing altitude, radiation emitted from high-altitude greenhouse gases can directly escape to space.
    Now it’s not impossible that since (a) in addition to radiation, heat is transferred from the Earth’s surface to greenhouse gases via conduction, and (b) convection currents (i) circulate the heated greenhouse gases to higher altitudes where energy transfer to space can take place and (ii) return cooler greenhouse gases to the Earth’s surface, that the process of heat transfer away from the Earth’s surface via greenhouse gases is more efficient than simple radiation from the Earth’s surface.
    Heated molecules share heat by conduction. In space there is nothing to conduct to. No heat is transfered. What is transfered to space is radiation, From photons absorbed by GHGs and from photons emitted from earth that are not touched by GHGs (wrong wavelength)
     Many engines are cooled using this concept. Specifically, a coolant is brought into contact with a heated surface which raises the coolant’s temperature via conduction and radiation, and the coolant is moved to a location where thermal energy transfer away from the coolant to a heat sink is more efficient than direct thermal energy transfer from the heated surface to the heat sink.
    One way to realize increased thermal transfer efficiency would be to use a coolant, such as greenhouse gases, that efficiently radiates energy in the IR band (i.e., radiates energy at temperatures around 500 K). Another way would be to spread the heated coolant over a large surface area. Since surface area increases with increasing altitude, thereby providing expanded “area” (in the case of a gas, expanded volume) from which radiation to space can occur, it’s not clear to me (one way or the other) that greenhouse gases won’t act as a “coolant” reducing both the temperatures of the Earth’s atmosphere and the Earth surface.
    Ye Gods!, did Tony read this before publishing... or is this what he believes??!!!!!!

    RGB loses his cool with a true sceptic (at last!)

    rgbatduke says:


    LET US HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE GOT TO CONTRIBUTE!
    I may admit I may not always be right but sure as hell you lot do not even know the people you are quoting.

    You not only aren’t “always right” in regard to radiation theory, you are so infinitely wrong that you are, quite seriously, almost stunning in any conversation. Worse, you haven’t a clue that you are clueless, and make your vastly incorrect statements to correct somebody that actually has a clue.
    Here’s what I have to contribute. Light is electromagnetic radiation. Go on, look it up. The entire electromagnetic spectrum is light. Radio waves are light. Microwaves are light. Infrared radiation is light. Visible light is a narrow band of light. Ultraviolet radiation is light. X-rays are light. Finally, gamma rays are light. The only thing that differentiates a gamma ray from a radio wave is its frequency and wavelength, and those aren’t even invariant properties — one can in principle doppler shift a radio wave into an x-ray by moving through it fast enough.
    Second, the only thing the human eye can see is light. I mean good God, man, why do you think they call it turning on the lights when you enter a dark room?
    Third, radiation from the sun does not, for the most part “turn into light” only when it reaches our atmosphere. Again, this is so wrong it is difficult even know how to begin. Children understand this better than that. Sunlight is emitted as light by our very hot sun. It travels as light — both visible and invisible, an entire spectrum of light — through the near-vacuum in between the Sun and the Earth. When it reaches the Earth, in very crude terms some of it is reflected at some point or another by the atmosphere without losing (much) energy, some of it is transmitted, and some of it is absorbed. How much of each depends on a host of things — clouds reflect more energy back to space than clear dry air, but clouds and water vapor also absorb more on the way to the ground than clear dry air. Of the radiation that reaches the ground, some is reflected and again passes more or less completely out of the atmosphere without significant loss, and the rest is absorbed. Of the radiation that reaches the ocean, some is reflected at or near the upper surface, and virtually all the rest is absorbed.
    Fourth, if you want to understand the way electromagnetic radiation is created, transmitted, absorbed, scattered, you have to begin by learning Maxwell’s Equations. Maxwell’s equations are the classical partial differential equations that describe the electromagnetic field. They aren’t complete — they are classical and atoms and molecules are really quantum mechanical — but to even think of understanding quantum electrodynamics it helps to start with classical electrodynamics. To understand classical electrodynamics, it would really help you to take a class in introductory physics one day, assuming that your calculus background is up to the task. Even in a first year intro physics course in E&M, like the one I am teaching right now, you would learn all of the things I listed above and more besides — I generally try to teach my students that transmitted electromagnetic power is the flux of the Poynting vector through the specified surface, for example, which is entirely apropos of the current conversation.
    If you cannot afford a physics textbook, feel free to use the ones I’ve written — they are available for free online here:
    and if you want to try to tackle real graduate level electrodynamics, you can try:
    but be warned, it isn’t for the faint of heart and you’ll need a reasonable proficiency with partial differential equations and non-Abelian algebras and Lie groups to get through the book. A knowledge of tensors would also be very useful, but sadly few students (even physics graduate students) have much of one so the book tries to be self-contained in this regard. It is also intended to be the second semester of a two semester series, so it presumes you’ve already mastered the Poisson equation and spherical decompositions and magnetostatics and are ready to get on with Maxwell’s equations and true Electrodynamics.
    Now “we lot” — by which I assume you means “warmists” used as a pejorative term — sometimes do know very, very well precisely of what we speak. I, for example, do. And I’m not a “warmist”, for that matter. That smacks of religion, and I can and do justify my opinions about almost anything all the way down to the microscopic level — or admit ignorance.
    So it is from a state of very much non-ignorance that I repeat — your previous statement, criticizing the entirely correct statement of Mr. Hoffer who is also no warmist, merely a rational skeptic who doubts the alleged magnitude or importance of the GHE, not its very existence — was something that left anyone who read it very slightly dumber. I could feel my own brain cells reeling in shock from it. Radiation turning into light only when it hits the atmosphere? Eyes unable to see light? It made me feel that my entire professional career, spent teaching people far better than that, has been wasted. How is it even possible for a high school education to turn you out into the world that ignorant? I knew better in grade school.
    So your statement was not only not a rebuttal of David Hoffer — it was an open insult to the entire US educational system. It was unamerican! Do you want the entire world to laugh at us?
    Hence my unaccustomed vigor in striking down your contribution, which, you will note, I am continuing. I’m quite serious. You owe it to yourself, you owe it to simple honesty to crack a physics book and at least try to understand what electromagnetic radiation is before again entering a public debate on the subject and attempting to correct people that have actually studied it, or teach it.
    But of course you won’t, will you? Neither will Greg House, or any of the others that make absurd statements about radiation being unable to be reflected back to a warm surface and thereby slow its cooling. It’s so startlingly ignorant a statement that it makes one want to simply throw one’s hands up in despair. Not even my suggestion to go buy a space blanket and wrap yourself in it to gain firsthand experience of “warming” by trapping your own body’s radiation — an “experiment” you can actually perform at home — will actually get you to do it. Or taking an ordinary light bulb and placing it in front of a sheet of plastic wrap, then in front of a sheet of aluminum foil, to see which one reflects more heat (and note well — reflects heat from something much cooler than the light bulb filament). I could probably think up a half dozen other table top experiments to demonstrate radiative heating and cooling — they are elementary school science fair stuff — but of course to you they can’t exist because you know radiation only turns into light when air molecules experience friction or some other long line of complete, utter, absurdities.
    I do declare, with people like you “helping” the skeptical “cause”, it doesn’t need to be opposed — the real warmists of the world can just point at you and wait for people to stop laughing themselves to death. Which is a logical fallacy, of course — you can disbelieve in CAGW because a pink unicorn came to you in a dream and told you to and still be right, just as they can be supported by not entirely implausible arguments and still be wrong, and wise people look at the arguments themselves and not individuals — but it does make it all to easy for sensible skeptical arguments to be dismissed when there exist “skeptics” whose arguments are only a hair better than pink unicorns.
    rgb




    2012/07/13

    Tony at wuwt Tredding a Fine Line again

    Tony is at it again - he's hitting the gutter, running.

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/07/13/friday-funny-dr-michael-mann-keeps-interesting-company


    Mocking someone for their appearance and not their science. The acolytes follow with embellishments as usual:


    Jim says:
    Wow, what a freak show these warmists are.
    pat says:
    July 13, 2012 at 9:12 am
    And we are the supposed crackpots?

    jayhd says:
    July 13, 2012 at 9:29 am
    Even though as a rule I don’t make fun of the mentally ill, I’m one of the skeptics/deniers who believe the CAGW promoters and their followers should be ridiculed every chance we get

    Duke of Deniers Dr. Lumpus Spookytooth, phd. says:
    July 13, 2012 at 11:03 am
    Umm, this photo says about a million words. Clearly, Caerbannog is a far left wing nut, and these are the types of people supporting magical CAGW. In fact, Heartland ought to put up a billboard of this clown with a caption saying “he believes in global warming, do you?’

    etc.

    I would suggest peoples private lives are irrelevant in this war if it they are harmless.

    But perhaps worse is dear old tony may have got the wrong man - I hope he hasn't revealed any email address or this person may be getting death threats like those sent to Phil Jones (see previous entry).

    From Tony's links
    LOCANDA BLUES - 27 OTTOBRE ALLE 22:00
    HIEMIS + AETERNA NOX
    la prima serata metallo extremo nella locanda e la prima colaborazione Hiemis + Aeterna Nox
    Aspetto tutti!
    Auiti a diffundere il male!

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